tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1835455773953043846.post4018679243203430975..comments2024-01-12T18:59:05.080+00:00Comments on Defence With A "C": Goldwater-Nichols ActUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1835455773953043846.post-27265473238713957322012-11-16T00:50:16.013+00:002012-11-16T00:50:16.013+00:00Hello Mick,
As far as I'm aware, SOCOM is ess...Hello Mick,<br /><br />As far as I'm aware, SOCOM is essentially assigned a budget for each year after much consultation with all interested parties, such as the Chiefs of Staff and depending on the expectations for SOCOM in the coming years.<br /><br />Also, again as far as I'm aware, SOCOM pays for the forces assigned to it, so the personnel budget for the SEALs for example is met by SOCOM. <br /><br />Trouble is, as with all military budgets, it can be a bit cloudy trying to figure out where the money ends up and who exactly pays for what.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18182426936194426623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1835455773953043846.post-81434770726042862852012-11-14T20:24:44.459+00:002012-11-14T20:24:44.459+00:00Thanks Chris and no worries only checked back just...Thanks Chris and no worries only checked back just now anyway. <br /><br />"because the two are as good as the same at the minute."<br /><br />I agree but lets not forget that its the choice of the government. By saying there's not the money, in my opinion, takes any blame from them on troops not having the right/enough equipment, its there usual go to excuse.<br /><br />Thanks for the link, will have a read through when I can, only had a quick glance, but my question was more, if special forces from all services are under one command, where s the incentive for each branch of the military to fund for troops that aren't under there command? Or who decides where the money comes from to fund SOCOM? My apologies if the answers to these are posted in the link, as previously mentioned haven't had a chance to read through but seems more a breakdown of SOCOM spending. Am interested in this mainly due to how the different military branches of the UK armed forces argue over money and possible better ways of deciding who gets what and so on, and I don't have much knowledge on this subject specially concerning how other nations around the world operate.<br /><br />thanks mick mick 346https://www.blogger.com/profile/03777249489229912370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1835455773953043846.post-75319422129018564842012-11-13T22:58:04.732+00:002012-11-13T22:58:04.732+00:00Sorry Mick, didn't see that second question at...Sorry Mick, didn't see that second question at first.<br /><br />FY13 estimate for SOCOM is about $5bn. There's quite a detailed breakdown here;<br /><br />https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:7CO_vXxPbswJ:comptroller.defense.gov/defbudget/fy2013/budget_justification/pdfs/01_Operation_and_Maintenance/O_M_VOL_1_PARTS/O_M_VOL_1_BASE_PARTS/SOCOM_OP-5.pdf+&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgcLGQu8sO0_SERKtMcN71Fx8afGTGKjnzy15FWgzPOdpUfg-A5WrXResLezyRVsh0FcGNDXpGBAeF6iYkweEUi8ON7juIj7gO5SVYNZ4I9ZgODNQTW8iRGwOQd2pIHErR_F0T1&sig=AHIEtbSA5XlRc7FbFPECghH2DTiag_d03Q<br /><br />If you scroll down to page 10 it starts there. Hope that helps.<br />Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18182426936194426623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1835455773953043846.post-46852925106857897782012-11-13T22:07:44.037+00:002012-11-13T22:07:44.037+00:00Haha, true Mick, it is a question of where to spen...Haha, true Mick, it is a question of where to spend. But none of the parties likely to get into power are going to spend the money required on defence, thus I always treat it as "we haven't got the cash", because the two are as good as the same at the minute.<br /><br />Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18182426936194426623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1835455773953043846.post-38091530227152810652012-11-13T22:07:32.238+00:002012-11-13T22:07:32.238+00:00"USSOCOM is desgined to overcome these proble..."USSOCOM is desgined to overcome these problems, and those identified in Eagle Claw, by putting all Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps special forces under one unified command, complete with its own budget for procuring specialist equipment such as helicopters and other vehicles."<br /><br />How is the money allocated?mick 346https://www.blogger.com/profile/03777249489229912370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1835455773953043846.post-16199465475055738162012-11-13T22:02:49.297+00:002012-11-13T22:02:49.297+00:00I don't think after the current cuts we would ...I don't think after the current cuts we would have the manpower to organise in this way, though I do think its a good idea Chris.<br /><br />"The question is do we have the money "<br /><br />YES, YES, YES<br /><br />It's not money we are short of, we have an economy of ~£1.4 the Government spends almost £700bn a year, its political will of where we spend our money that dictates what we can/cant afford.mick 346https://www.blogger.com/profile/03777249489229912370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1835455773953043846.post-65315867184650504562012-11-12T23:34:17.705+00:002012-11-12T23:34:17.705+00:00The difficulty is in splitting up the world in a c...The difficulty is in splitting up the world in a coherent manner.<br /><br />For example the US includes Israel in its European command and not its Central Command, because the point has been made in the past by people like Schwarzkopf that it made his life ten times easier as CENTCOM commander not having to explain to arab leaders why the next stop on his tour was Israel. <br /><br />By removing them from his remit it made it much easier for him to negotiate with people in the region that had a huge impact on his operations.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18182426936194426623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1835455773953043846.post-27831609681550741262012-11-12T23:13:07.727+00:002012-11-12T23:13:07.727+00:00I do like the idea, one of the things that seem co...I do like the idea, one of the things that seem continually to befall us is the lack of continuity at the top of the tree. <br /><br />One of the concepts in both mil and civil service is the rise of the generalist over the specialist. It has some merit but seems to come with so much baggage so anything that injects some stability and specialism seems to be a good thing<br /><br />Tip top idea I thinkthink defencehttp://www.thinkdefence.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1835455773953043846.post-9839837755716390072012-11-11T18:20:09.542+00:002012-11-11T18:20:09.542+00:00Many thanks TD. The question is do we have the mon...Many thanks TD. The question is do we have the money ;)<br /><br />Six or more regional commands, distributed potentially around the globe, with staffs and travel. The papers won't like that; "Fat Cat Four Stars Waste Millions Staying In Five Stars!!" etc.<br /><br />I think the overall benefits are worth it. They'd be - as the American commands appear to be - more than just a military issue, but almost diplomatic in a sense.<br /><br />Despite our military size, we retain interests of a manner all across the world, even if its only a smaller scale and might involve no more than organising training efforts in some places. <br /><br />I think it's worth considering. What value can we draw from such regional commands? Gareth brought up forward presence, which I know is a favourite concept of yours to and there is a lot of merit in that. A unified Logistic network also has much promise, potentially.<br /><br />Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18182426936194426623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1835455773953043846.post-53454935979432571422012-11-10T23:49:16.109+00:002012-11-10T23:49:16.109+00:00Brilliant post Chris, I like it but do you think w...Brilliant post Chris, I like it but do you think we have the scale to maintain such a command infrastructure workthink defencehttp://www.thinkdefence.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1835455773953043846.post-35082918000330495062012-11-09T19:18:10.269+00:002012-11-09T19:18:10.269+00:00Hi Gareth,
Cheers for stopping by. Yeah, SOCOM ha...Hi Gareth,<br /><br />Cheers for stopping by. Yeah, SOCOM has drawn a fair amount of criticism in that regard, and there's not a huge amount that can be done. The more control you hand to the regional commander over special forces, the more you run the risk of them being misused. <br /><br />On the flip side, if they'yre allowed to do as they please, then you risk a disconnect between the missions they're conducting and what the regional commander needs to advance his aims in the theatre of operations. <br /><br />Tough balancing act.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18182426936194426623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1835455773953043846.post-26480328981073169392012-11-09T00:47:20.071+00:002012-11-09T00:47:20.071+00:00A very interesting piece. I like the idea of regio...A very interesting piece. I like the idea of regional commands, focused on forward presence, and have often thought about a unified transport/logistics service (RAF aircraft, the RFA, Logistic Corps?). However I have read criticism of the SOCOM - it is too seperate from the regional commands; alledegally special operations often happen in a region without the commander being aware.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10940535661399125656noreply@blogger.com